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Picking apart Pascal’s Wager – Part 2

August 19th, 2009 Jumile

This article is continued from Part 1.

As agnosticism is the only intellectually honest, logical and justifiable position — regardless of whether you are a theist or atheist — there then often comes the argument that surely you should believe “just in case” there is a god. Enter Blaise Pascal‘s famous wager, considered by many to be a breakthrough in probability theory and apologetics in its time:

  1. If there is a god and you do believe, then you’ll go to heaven.
  2. If there isn’t a god and you do believe, then it has cost you nothing.
  3. If there isn’t a god and you don’t believe, then it has cost you nothing.
  4. If there is a god and you don’t believe, then you will go to hell.

Therefore, the logical conclusion is: You should believe… just in case. The implication is that at worst you will have wasted time and effort, but at best you’ve gained a place in heaven. As if an omniscient god wouldn’t know that you’re merely playing the numbers? In reality, points 2 and 3 above mean that you have wasted time, effort and potentially yours and other lives.

Unfortunately the Wikipedia entry for Pascal’s Wager has been edited by one or more of “the faithful,” diminishing its usefulness in providing a contrast. The fundamental argument against Pascal’s Wager is as follows (using just monotheism as an example):

  1. If you believe in one god, which out of an apparently infinite number will you choose from?
  2. Most gods declare they will punish you for eternity if you do not accept just them.
  3. If there is only one god and many imposters, how can you be certain to choose the correct one?
  4. Due to the near infinite number, you have almost no chance of choosing the “One True God.”
  5. The holy book of each god is full of lists of those who will never go to heaven — murderers, adulterers, covetors, the greedy, gluttonous, those who walk further than a number of paces on the sabbath, and any number of other mental and physical acts. Trust me when I say that you are on that list.

Therefore, the probability of you going to heaven, allowing for the possibility that it exists at all, is so infinitesimally small that it doesn’t matter whether you are religious or not (unless you’re the kind of person who thinks a 1:14,000,000 chance of winning the lottery jackpot means that at least 4 people out of a population of 61,000,000 must win it each week).

One criticism of Pascal’s Wager is the assumptions that it makes:

  • God will ignore (or is somehow unaware of) the fact that people are praying just to avoid hell.
  • Hell is a place of eternal misery, like Dante‘s medieval Inferno.
  • Heaven is a place of eternal pleasure.
  • Belief has no cost to the believer.
  • A loving god will damn you to hell if you don’t believe in him.
  • Sincere belief is a conscious act that can be changed at will.
  • God is the Judeo-Christian Abrahamic god.
  • God is loving, forgiving, and takes things seriously, rather than mischievous, cruel or ironic.
  • There is only One True God, not many gods. Monotheism excludes much older pantheistic and polytheistic traditions.

Another way to pick apart Pascal’s Wager is to ask the reader to conduct a thought exercise and consider that God is an imposter that they follow, and that Ugg (a name I pulled out of my head) — who only requires that you don’t worship anyone else — is really the One True God. This exercise is sometimes called Reversing the Wager:

  1. If you don’t believe in God and Ugg does exist, then you’ll go to heaven.
  2. If you don’t believe in God and Ugg doesn’t exist, then you have lived a good life.
  3. If you do believe in God and Ugg doesn’t exist, then you have lived under unnecessary restrictions, and wasted the time, effort and lives of yourself and others.
  4. If you do believe in God and Ugg does exist, then you’ll go to hell.

This shows that atheists will come out the best (heaven or a good life) and theists are toast (hell or wasted life). If you’re a Gnostic Theist, then this argument will go sailing over your head and you’ll snort derisively in your knowledge that God would never let that happen, but if you are able to think clearly or at least entertain other points of view, then you’ll see the point. It’s just a thought exercise, of course.

Last of all, there is the Agnostic Atheist Wager that is a simple and effective refutation of Pascal’s Wager that is, perhaps surprisingly, compatible with the message of Jesus, and states:

Whether or not you believe in God, you should live your life with love, kindness, compassion, mercy and tolerance while trying to make the world a better place. If there is no God, you have lost nothing and will have made a positive impact on those around you. If there is a benevolent God reviewing your life, you will be judged on your actions and not just on your ability to blindly believe, when there is a significant lack of evidence of any one god’s existence.

Many religious texts state that by our actions we will be judged and, surely, it’s more beneficial to humanity and the Earth as a whole to act well rather than ensure that we speak the right words or bow to the right statue.

The more you learn of religions throughout human history — even if you just limit yourself to Abrahamic monotheism in all its forms — the more you realise that it is a wilful and conscious act to ignore all the other religions and gods in favour of just one. The religion chosen is usually the one in which your parents raised you or from the culture in which you grew up, probably based upon our tribal instincts, need to fit in, and from the assumption that our experience (or family, team, or nation) is the only or best one possible.

How can an accident of your location (or time in history, considering the spread of the “good news” around the world) of birth be the ultimate determining factor in whether a kind, loving god makes you spend an eternity in hell or heaven? Modern apologetics that glosses over that by saying that “those who haven’t heard it yet go to heaven” is dodging the real issue, and those who say it know it.

It’s all very complicated and requires a great deal of cognitive dissonance to adhere to one faith and exist with the natural world — and that applies even for members of religions that are mature or adaptable enough to accommodate scientific advancement (often called God of the Gaps). I’m hesitant to use Occam’s Razor

When you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better.

…as a kind of coup de grâce to this article, as I have seen it used successfully by both sides of this argument, and I’m not sure that it isn’t a non-sequitur in this context as neither science nor those without belief purport to have the answer to the origins of the universe (or even to have the answer to the origins of life, though there are a number of interesting scientific theories).

Rather, science seeks to find out as much as possible about as much as possible, and religions throughout human history have seen knowledge as a direct challenge to the unknowability of their gods (or worse). It is not the intent or goal of science to do away with religion; its goal is to gather knowledge. If that somehow challenges your faith or religion, then that is your problem and you must address it somehow — but not by attacking those merely trying to learn and discover the exciting mysteries of the universe.

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  1. Fabian
    August 20th, 2009 at 14:44 | #1

    Your argument is flawed in that it misrepresents Ugg as being different while simultaneously claiming Ugg to be a God

    If Ugg is the only one true God.
    Ugg is (a) God.

    Your argument can then only read:

    1. If you don’t believe in God and God does exist, then you’ll go to heaven.
    2. If you don’t believe in God and God doesn’t exist, then you have lived a good life.
    3. If you do believe in God and God doesn’t exist, then you have lived under unnecessary restrictions, and wasted the time, effort and lives of yourself and others.
    4. If you do believe in God and God does exist, then you’ll go to hell.

    Both argument and conclusion are intrinisically flawed.
    You condradict yourself further by stating ‘atheists will come out best’ when the existence of Ugg/God requires worship. That or you are confusing your terminology of atheist with a person who is capable of worshipping/believing in a God/Ugg.

    Fabian

  2. Alex
    August 20th, 2009 at 18:46 | #2

    @Fabian

    His argument is actually correct, given that God and Ugg are two different gods. Ugg is the One True God, and God as stated is an impostor god.

    Read it carefully.

    Alex

  3. Fabian
    August 21st, 2009 at 19:29 | #3

    There is no such thing as a correct argument.
    An argument is either valid or invalid.

    If for a moment we took apart the thought experiment and turned it into an argument it could read:

    God is an imposter;
    Ugg is the only true God;
    Ugg is a God;
    …Therefore Ugg is an imposter

    Focussing on the thought experiment, for this argument to work we must acknowledge Ugg’s existence and discard God as an imposter. In doing this premise 2 and 3 are false premises as they contradict the argument. Which leaves us with 2 premises:

    1. If you don’t believe in God and Ugg does exist, then you’ll go to heaven.

    4. If you do believe in God and Ugg does exist, then you’ll go to hell.

    Premise 4 only really follows from the thought experiment (self-explanatory) in the first place which really only leaves us with premise 1 which is based on the assumption there is a heaven.

    Hence the argument is invalid.

    Neither of these premises nor does it follow from the argument that atheists come out the best. In fact the conclusion merely contradicts any form of atheism as worshipping Ugg would be required to enter ‘heaven’. An atheist would cease to be an atheist.

    Fabian

  4. WindupHarlequin
    September 19th, 2009 at 21:10 | #4

    Fabian: “If for a moment we took apart the thought experiment and turned it into an argument it could read:

    God is an imposter;
    Ugg is the only true God;
    Ugg is a God;
    …Therefore Ugg is an imposter”

    You are confusing the use of ‘God’ as a noun referring to the popular Western concept of a god, and ‘God’ as a general classification of omniscient/omnipotent entities. Your argument’s conclusion that ‘Ugg is an imposter’ is invalid, as the original premise was not that all God’s are imposters – merely that the Judao-Christian ‘God’ is, along with every other concept of a God who is not Ugg. Indeed, it is integral to the very argument of Pascal’s Wager that there exists a God who is not an imposter.

  5. fabian
    September 28th, 2009 at 10:08 | #5

    @Windup The argument was merely an example and dosen’t change the flaw of the conclusion made in the reversed wager.

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